Outline of Post-Mockingjay Future (as told from a dog's POV!):
Beau & Arrow are young dogs, homeless after war. Hayffie makes a trip back to the Capitol for some reason...something with Paylor & Plutard (I MEAN PLUTARCH), or more likely Haymitch wants to bring Effie to a doctor there...whatever. The two dogs had been very very young (pups) during the war, and since then were wandering and living mostly on the outskirts of the Capitol, retreating into the mountains and scavenging around the perimeter of the city, bumming a bit of food off of somebody when they can. Mainly they stuck around Boreas up in the mountains because he cared for them, and/or in a makeshift shelter someplace near the Capitol. They then meet Hayffie and Effie wants to adopt them, because they don't see identification or locate owners. The kids love them, and the dogs instantly devote themselves steadfastly to their new human family. These animals are the start of their "critter crew." 
(Any other animals she might have had pre-revolution who'd been...hidden away someplace safe? set with automatic feeders? whatever Plutarch would've set up so they could take her to 13...would obviously have been recovered already. Wonder whether there could've been some animal-shelter room in 13 after all. ;p)] 

Italics=I had originally been thinking that Effie would adopt the two dogs while living in the Capitol right after the war and then bring them with her to D12, but it wound up feeling more accurate to have them found and adopted later, when she & Haymitch were on a trip back to the Capitol. Unless the dogs pulled a Homeward Bound-esque journey from the Capitol area to 12 on their own, but that seems the least likely of all. XD I'll keep this original description, though, since other elements of it are good.
They meet Effie & she decides to adopt them. (She gives them their names, never finding out what they may have been before.) They stay with her in the presidential mansion while she helps Paylor. When she tries to move into her own place, she says she's unable to bring them because pets aren't allowed or someone is allergic. Paylor gladly watches them, and Effie tries to come visit them every day. Eventually the concerned Paylor & Plutarch try to get her to move back into the mansion, and encourage her to contact Haymitch, Katniss, and Peeta. 

Paylor is willing to offer her another mansion room to live in, but she declines, saying that since her former home wasn't structurally damaged and she also has a relative willing to house her. (Of course she's really gone to the bad/dangerous place.)
Effie is invited to visit her friends in District 12, and winds up moving into Haymitch's house, along with the dogs and any other surviving pets of hers (e.g., fish/rays/nudis? Snake? Of course the geese are already there.) Veda comes with her and lives nearby. Effie keeps trying to figure out some way to repay her for saving her from further torture, and helping her escape to reunite with Haymitch. All Veda wants in Effie's regard is her health and happiness. The Borzoi-owning twins, Calypso & Calliope, are relatively friendly to them.

Arrow (the narrator) feels especially protective of Effie. Both dogs love and would guard her & their other new humans with their lives. They have a somewhat distant, wary relationship with Buttercup at first (and of course Beau's natural instinct is to try and chase him), but eventually they and the cat come to get along well and enjoy each other's company. 

The group aids in the rebuilding of 12. Peeta's bakery is back up and running, and becomes a favorite hangout. A double-wedding is held for Katniss & Peeta and Effie & Haymitch; all their friends and family from around the country attend, except for Mrs. Everdeen and Gale (Katniss later reconnects with her mother after the birth of her first child, and with Gale after the birth of the second.) The two couples help each other with their emotional struggles, pain, memories, trauma, flashbacks, psychological issues, illnesses, etc.--which is ongoing. The Abernathys have their children before the Mellarks--which is not easy. The new families do their best to love and support each other, making the most of the new world. 

Greasy Sae is close with them. Years later, friends such as Boreas, Johanna, and Annie (with her son) move to 12 as well, to be with this core group. 

Haymitch, Veda, Everlark, the dogs, etc., need to convince Effie that it really WOULD hurt other people if she took her life. That they aren't merely pitying and trying to make her feel better so she won't do it--she truly would be a great loss to the world. They would miss her horribly, and they love her immeasurably. She never needs to feel nervous, embarrassed, or afraid to tell or ask them for anything at all.
Imagine Effie having nightmares about being completely alone, abandoned by all, with no one willing to even give her the time of day, never mind help her in any way...;; She's spent nearly her whole life doubting and hating herself and what she needs to do and the fact that she's doing it, and so many of the things that came out of her mouth.

*~"My hc, in a teeny-tiny itty-bitty nutshell, includes Effie assisting Paylor for a while...but before long Haymitch winds up inviting her to visit them in 12, which ultimately ends in an offer to stay. They help with rebuilding the district, Mellark Bakery, etc., and then get married--it's a double-wedding ceremony for them and Katniss/Peeta, all surviving friends and family invited, whether or not they live in D12. They combine toasting with more traditional vows. And they start a family together; Haymitch thinks it'll do her good to become a mother, although she doesn't think she deserves to."~*

Can adjust, tweak, work out, and edit the new material in 11-12 and this doc as necessary.

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RE: TIM PALEN'S BOOK (which I got for <$5):
Effie's "backstage" outfit from the interviews of the first film is so pretty. Those lashes, the red/green/blue crystal bracelet. The butterflies and birds and antler shapes. The loverly pink shadow. And then the "fuchsia ruffles/loofah" CF one...the closeup on her hands shows the arrow on that metal cuff, those armor-like metal finger-cover things over the sheer gloves. She made great use of silver metal, the arrow theme, the idea that she has to wear a suit of armor of sorts so that the real her doesn't come out and spoil things...fortify herself against the slings and arrows of living a Capitol life...plus, the notion that she's also a programmed "robot." 

Obviously I couldn't agree less with EB's comment about Effie's "true change of heart." And she "stands out in the world by her own design?" Well, she stands out amongst the main characters...and I suppose she's just subtly unique enough in the Capitol to match how different she actually is from the great majority of them.

(In the pic where three ladies are helping Liz get ready to take a CF chair shot, one is uncredited in the photo directory at the end.) SEE MY REVIEW, which I really love: https://www.amazon.com/review/RXTOQN7KOZMP/ref=pe_1098610_137716200_cm_rv_eml_rv0_rv

Loool @ Liz playing and having fun with the photoshoot, being very much herself...posing, hiking up the top, etc. XD
J-Law describes Katniss as "a hunter, not a killer." Well, technically, if a hunter is successful, then s/he is a killer. Doesn't necessarily mean they WANT to be or take pleasure in it or are wholly dispassionate in it, but to be literal...;p And Kat did want to win, not just for Prim and the promise to her.
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NAME ASSOCIATIONS+REASONS FOR HAYFFIE CHILD CONSIDERATION: 

•	**Gardenia: Float; diner, Beyond Belief, awesome creepiness, perfection, everything that rocks and rules and makes you all nostalgic; flower name...not too prissy, formal but not overly Capitolish...call Deen/Dennie/Gar/Gard(ie) for short...
•	**Genevieve: Two names in one! Both loverly. Nicknames Jen/Jenny/whatever and Vee/Veev, "Zhan"...
•	**Roxana: Greek form of Roxanne? So connected to Effie's Greek name. Gorgeous. Association is with Roxanne and therefore Goofy Movie! Beauty! Redheadedness! Amazing music and road trippage. Means dawn, which is perfect for the new world.
•	*Cecile: Well, there are a lot of people probably closer to them than the D8 victor Cecilia...but what about Cecile? Prefer to Cecily and Celia, though those are both nice. C.C./Cee Cee/Ceece.  
•	*Suzette: Association is Otis' and Sondra's pup. Uncommon variant of Susan. French. *click* Noice.
•	*Cordelia: Corded Poods! Corded Treehugger hair! Just a real nice name.
•	*Ophelia: Pretty. Kinda soft, pretty. Hamlet. 
•	*Felice: Lambs, sheep, spring, Easter. Little Bunny and siblings painting their eggs. Little Lamb egg-hunting near the sparkling stream with sparkling shrooms. Felicia is very nice too. Felicity doesn't sound very good with Abernathy, unfortunately. 
•	*Charlotte: Connection with Effie via Char's Web. 
•	*Clarice: A reindeer and a chipmunk. (Just like Rita is a dog, a mouse, a fox, and a fish. xD) Clairee. Flows. Definitely in his fam.) 
•	*Delilah: Fave name of mine. Seems believable as one they'd like. Goes nicely. Just sounds so awesome. Homeward Bound 2.
•	*Noel: Christmasy. Birth/rebirth, dawn of new world. Nick and.
•	*Violet: Pretty. Nature. Associations are Parr and Alden.
•	*Victoria: Cats. (Also Phyllida, the dancer/actress.)
•	*Nell: Joy(ce), Arania (unfortunately not really a name because it does mean spider <3), and Nellie. Hence, Nell? Sounds as if it could've been his mum or something. Or Elle.
•	*Audrey: Little Shop.
•	*Yvonne: Just pretty and goes really well with Abernathy. 
•	*Ariel: Amazing...maybe too mermaid...goes well though.
•	*Elaine: Great name to hear Dustin Hoffman scream. Goes well with surname.
•	*Irene: Nice and goes well w/ Abernathy; would make a good middle name. Or Irina.
•	*Joyce: Goes well; could see this or any others as Abernathy family members. Related via Charlotte's Web (Char's daughter, therefore...)
•	*Hope: Just seems appropriate. Sassy's owner. Short and sweet. Good middle.
•	*Jemima: Just unique and rare and sounds so cool. Syrup. PiMP. Jem for short. Lot going for it. Traditional. 
•	*Necile: Unique. Like many in the series, not a typical name. Pretty, gentle. Green hair. Woodland fairy, Christmas story. 
•	*Janine: Janinius. Kishi. Not too common. Goes with surname. 
•	*Mercedes: Merciful. Pretty. My dear beloved pleco. Sounds sassy.
•	Lucretia: Lulu. Gundam. Just seems appropriate. Roman.
•	Raine/Rania: Trying to work Arania!  
•	Bianca: Love so much. Ms. mouse. 
•	Tanya: Russiany...noice...Tatiana too. Or Tasha, Tamara. Even Anya.
•	Sasha: Just lovely for obvious reasons...;) LaFleur! 
•	Ivy: Pretty. First really considered it after seeing The Village. Nature name.
•	Holly: Christmasy, uncommon, cute sound. Pleasant, friendly-seeming.
•	Leona: "Lee-OHH-NUH!" Can only yell it in C.C. Bloom's voice. Beanie Boo leopard. 
•	Beatrix: I adore; Kill Bill. Potter. Of course, Elle Abernathy also sounds good. Elle could work as a middle name or a Haymitch relative (all these names are probably going in the family tree!)
•	Valentina: Jaunty French song. <3 
•	Eudora: Good "Eu" name; but I think Effie wouldn't want people thinking they named their daughter sort-of after her. 
•	Lorelai: Perkermern. Nice flow. ("See, I can flow.") 
•	Cleo: Associated with purple Poodles and 80s cats. Hilarious TV psychics. Sassy. 
•	Lilya: Fave variant of Lily. 
•	Karina: Sorta forget why that was on the list of choices. But not bad.
•	Xenia: Just bc Greek and sounds good. Too much rhyme with Venia tho.
•	Veda: Effie's BFFAE fer sures--so, not child as well...that'd be way too confusing! Though I'd originally been thinking of Veda and Necile for firstborn twins (Veda being the 'tomboy' one.)
•	~Blue/turquoise teddies: favorites of Lulu and Tamara ;D

DOWN YONNER BE MISCELLANY!!!!

Q: "Wonder how people became Game Techs?College in the Capitol for up and coming technologists from D3 or genetics from D10?"
A: Again, most are probably Capitol citizens. However, it would also make sense for some to be transplants, especially from D3 and D10. Of course, if you're made a Capitol resident, you're expected to be a loyal one and an impartial technician. 

Answering these questions: https://twitter.com/tacokirishima/status/893231163812204544

1. D4
2. Capitol
3. Either THG or CF
4. Either CF or MJ2, I guess maybe?
5. Effie!
6. Haymitch!
7. I guess, aside from K&P, I kinda have to say Rue? Also, I just noticed what good hair the girl from D8 has. And three female redheads, wow. What're the odds?
8. Again setting K&P aside...Finnick (then Johanna, Mags, Wiress, Beetee, Chaff, the morphlings, Enobaria, Seeder, Cashmere, Gloss...)
9. Hrrrm, Idk...probably 5. 6 & 3 look pretty bad too. Love the color combo for 8, but the design sucks.
10. Ugh, Idk! I guess Prim by a hair.
11. A tie.
12. 1) HAYFFIE 2) Everlark 3) Annick (Everthorne=Notp)
13. EFFIE!
14. Lemme take a wild stab at that one...
15. Glimmer
16. Enobaria
17. Haymitch's was pretty awesome (made no sense for the Gamemakers to be upset over either)
18. Cato's & Glimmer's sucked hella bad...
19. "If we burn, you burn with us!" (Also love the whipping post, and how Peeta & Haymitch step in as well. They all in it together. <3)
20. Beach, I reckon
21. Either CF or MJ1
22. Boggs
23. Either the mountain-meadow or the CF one
24. No way to pick just one, omg. I adore the "geisha" dress and the two "Poodle" ones, and the royal blue Victory Tour one, the "peacock" outfit, of course both flutterbyes, the pink+mustard and raspberry suit from the first film...just, all beautiful.
25. Welp, I guess Clato. (Not that there couldn't have been *anything* bordering on romantic in Haysilee, but it's nothing Effie needs to be worried about!)

Well, this is great: http://fav.me/dbtikaf And this: http://fav.me/dbvssh5
Me: "I assumed [Caesar] was executed."
Somebody: "That's sad though I don't think he deserved it he was just a product of his upbringinging"

Well, he didn't deserve it like Snow and Coin deserved it. We're all products of our upbringing to an extent, but he WAS a willing and active participant, delighting in his job and remaining firmly, voluntarily on the Capitol's side throughout the rebellion and war. There's nothing to indicate or suggest otherwise.

Talkin' GoT briefly: She may be a survivor, too, but certainly not of the "at all costs" variety. In this sense, she reminds me a bit of one of my favorite Game of Thrones characters: Varys. He explains to Tyrion that he's got no one truly loyal to him, no one who would stand up for and protect him, so he needs to look out for himself. That's why he appears to testify against Tyrion at the trial over Joffrey's death--then helps Jaime break him out of prison, and sets off with him on the journey to meet Daenerys in Meereen. Because Varys is "the Spyder" and a somewhat enigmatic character, people have suspected that he, like Littlefinger, has some sort of sneaky ulterior motives for his actions. But judging from everything so far, it would appear that he really DOES have "the good of the realm" at heart--that he honestly wants the greatest good for the greatest number possible. He's one of the fairest, kindest, most sensible yet idealistic people in Westeros. He insists he's not a hero, but winds up putting himself very much at risk to do what he believes is right. Varys starts off serving the largely "villainous" Lannister clan, who rule from King's Landing, as part of their Small Council--but he then betrays them. Like Snape, he had to be a double-agent to get anything done. It's less complicated in his case, though...for of all the contenders for the Iron Throne, Dany most has the makings of a just and righteous ruler. Imo as well as his. She stands by her admirable convictions, but also can tell when it's necessary to negotiate, compromise, seek counsel, etc. She can temper justice with mercy, WITHOUT being a pushover or a doormat--for no such leader will last in a land like this. Justice must be prioritized. Throwing his support behind her (and her dragons, the Unsullied, etc.) seems like a no-brainer for Varys. To me and him, anyway. ;p (I'm hoping and praying that Dany, Tyrion, Varys, Daario, Grey Worm, Missandei, and all their allies make the kickass team I imagine them becoming!!)
(Not to mention: Varys is part of a "dynamic duo" with someone who's a great booze fan... ;) Also, his crafty collection of valuable secrets and information is reminiscent of Finnick.) Of course she wouldn't go against her conscience or hurt anyone to protect herself. And in Westeros, nobody is quite perfect, but there always seems to be someone you like less than any given person--making that person suddenly very likable, at least in comparison. And then, relatively, other (mostly favorite-favorite) folks seem like absolutely flawless angels! xD But ar any rate, Varys is one of the people most like Effie.

Love these drabbles written for me by a friend: http://fav.me/dbatoax
Just have some...differences of perspective, as usual. Some reactions:
-Gale blushing? Boy, that must have been some joke.
-"ceremony she insisted on" See, I don't think Effie would insist on a huge, fancy wedding. I think Haymitch would go for it to make her happy--knowing that she especially would like to throw one for Everlark as well, host and thank everyone who wanted to come, and just fulfill that perfect fantasy wedding she hadn't really expected to have. Sure, he would still grumble and complain and maybe even pitch a Father-of-the-Bride-esque fit over the outrageousness of hot dog buns. But ultimately, the wedding would be the greatest day of his life ('til their children come along, ofc.) And she would also have been satisfied with a proper toasting, which they'd do in addition, naturally.
-"Almost shyly" Oh, "shyly," "timidly," etc., would be frequently-applied adverbs when talking about this sweet girl!
-I don't think that deep down, truly and fully, she ever reeeally loved and felt at home in the Capitol. I mean, it was the only home she'd ever known, so naturally she would have claimed to. But I don't think she loved everything about it. And I believe she probably forced herself to 'like' and 'enjoy' things sometimes out of her sense of obligation.
-"liked to look good" Or more precisely, from her perspective, "tried to look as good as possible...with mercilessly--almost masochistically--little regard to her own comfort."
-I particularly adore the "Hayffie w/ their child" drabble, and Haymitch cuddling & massaging Effie. x3 I imagine him or any would-be cuddler of hers to have to pull her to them. And him gently, lovingly undressing her. 
-Effie's birthday is most definitely in September, if there's anything to astrology whatsoever (and I believe there is something to it.)
-Obviously it's true that 12 is where Effie will be loved the most, for those who truly love her are either there or will move there as well.
-Gale never having seen a movie? *ponderous emoji* Idk, it just seems tough to believe when they've got dem fancy projectors. Maybe D12 didn't have a theater with a big screen, though. ~*~*

I feel as though Effie & I have similar taste in food...;) 
http://hayffiesdaughter.tumblr.com/post/156076923418/tag-game
http://hayffiesdaughter.tumblr.com/post/156824246718/nother-survey-thingamabob 
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http://emo-girl-in-the-tardis.tumblr.com/post/157901810632/what-happened-in-bookverse-mockingjay 
That was a good thought; I'd never considered looking at it that way. I just think that, if it had been intended to mean that she was with them, he would've said that to let Katniss know, given a little more detail...or Katniss would've found out...and the "but he's here" seems to me like a contrast with the previously mentioned people. 

Tbh, Mockingjay is my least favorite book of the trilogy, and part of the reason is the lack of Effie. xD MJ1 made me realize how much better the book would be if scenes were edited in for her in 13 (and, at the very end, in 12!) At the same time...and I feel like the worst person ever for saying it...the book's implication of what happened to her at the hands of the Capitol feels way too important to me to discard (since I like having one unified story rather than a 'book version' and 'movie version.') So I was forced to develop a headcanon to incorporate both. The movie gave me the answer when Katniss sneaked into the Capitol with the goal of killing Snow; I decided, "That's good. Then Effie did the same." Which could lead to the same ending the book already gave us (combined with what the film added), and Plutarch could still say his line about not knowing what happened to her. We don't see her between the wedding and the reunion toward the end. 
It's like Johanna said: "Anybody can kill anybody. You just have to be willing to sacrifice yourself." 

Eff would be traumatized, yes. Unused to pain? Well, physical pain on that scale, probably. We don't know what kinds of painful injuries or illnesses she may have suffered previously. But I get the point. ;) Beaten and unwelcome in 13? For sure. I like the idea of her not speaking after being recovered, and having spells of muteness every so often afterward. Absolutely, Coin would want her dead in the end regardless of her revolutionary efforts, so Haymitch and Plutarch would have had to try to prevent that (thankfully Katniss helps a lot by killing Coin.) Also, Coin had her put right back into escort/chaperone mode, continuing to use her and Katniss--signaling that her purposes aren't much different from Snow's. And I think the "vacant" look in her eyes is a result of not only her own trauma, but that of the entire situation as a whole--from the past with the Games through to the end of the war. Just thinking about everyone and everything again. 
Anyway, these are just my thoughts! ~^w^~

MORE TOTALLY RANDOM REACTIONS TO RANDOM THG-RELATED STUFF:
~I was disgusted by a comment saying "Aw, Effie looks so sad about losing her fancy clothes and wigs and the home she grew up in." Like, those are only the most superficial, surface-level reasons she's upset! Think about the overall situation--geeeee, I wonder why she might be unhappy and displeased!!! Ffs. 
~"I'm cold and empty, yet you manage to light fires in me that burn through every inch of my body."
~THGQuiz is right--it would've been even harder to get rid of Coin because people would be too sick of war, 13 was used to being a military dictatorship, and folks would probably try to pretend she was "better than Snow...? Right?"
~Most of the districts must have at least two living victors of each sex.  
~Effie may be "spoiled" thanks to being a child of the Capitol, but a brat? Never. I don't see her as being at all narcissistic or demanding of anything for herself. 
~I imagine her a pad user, if only because I personally find the mere thought of tampons disgusting. >p>
~http://calicot-zc.tumblr.com/post/103141006778/hayffie-sketch-what-about-the-arrival-in --
MJ1 makes it seem as though Effie didn't see Haymitch in 13 'til the first propo shooting, but it is possible that they at least glimpsed each other before he was moved below and she shut herself in her compartment. (Again, I think Haymitch would've seemed a wreck due more to her absence than the drying-out!)
The Katniss-choking occurs at the midpoint of the novel and the two MJ films. That's when Plutarch said that they had "no idea what happened to Effie." To revise and account for both, he'd have to have really said that later on when she disappears. If the book's situation had happened as written, then by that point Haymitch would've been through the whole desperately-searching-and-being-distraught phase, from whenever it was realized that Effie hadn't been delivered to where they wanted her, and now her whereabouts/safety status were unknown. OFC Hay would be exhausted and discouraged, not only about Peeta but about the need to locate and protect her. 
~HG AU where Mr. Mellark leaves Mrs. Mellark and marries Mrs. Everdeen: Okay, cute for the parents, but if K&P are gonna have a sibling relationship, it'll be awkward if they still fall in love...imagine being Peeta in that situation and your dad marries your crush's mother...xD

http://fav.me/dbfhojs - Hmm--interesting! I'm not sure I share all of these, of course. 
The renaming of the districts seems plausible. 
I suspect that the Capitol knew about and may have even had contact with other nations...how much and just what the relationships were like, it's tough to exactly guess. It would be characteristic of Snow not to mention the Games and to claim that everything was great in Panem. Yet, I also think that other countries could have known about what was going on and turned a blind eye, minding their own beeswax.
I don't know about math per se, but Katniss does seem to have a knack for "calculating" angles and whatnot for her shooting and all...probably more geometry than algebra (just like me. ;p) But doing the bookkeeping for the bakery? Sure. Hell, I do that for the family business.
How were the mayors elected/appointed? Well, anyway. Sure they'd all look forward to voting. I feel like Effie would think she didn't deserve the right to do so, but would vote for whomever seemed like genuinely the best choice for all.
The Hayffie one is true fact, naturally. (Total number of children could be different, though.) They too will learn to break free of the inhibitions, fears, habits, and finally just love each other fully and unabashedly and intensely. Effie is very sweet, cuddly, snuggly, and affectionate once she's sure that you don't mind, that you want her to be. Her cuteness can bring out affection in those who tend to be reserved and undemonstrative. (Take Veda; her protective, super-loving and nurturing attitude toward Effie is special because she doesn't get that way with many people.) Haymitch spends as much time as possible with Effie, but when they're apart, he likes to make sure that Veda and/or at least one of the dogs is with her. They love to give each other gifts and feel a bit of pressure to get big, flashy, expensive ones, but it turns out that all either of them really wants or needs is the love of the other. Effie in particular likes to give presents to everyone, share her own things, and help them in any way she can. Because that's her--a helper, a server, one who just wants to aid others and always tries her hardest to do well by them. Effie wants to work in 12 and not be a burden who needs constant TLC (even though she deserves and will receive it, because she does need quite a bit.) She's a natural mommy; even though being pregnant isn't easy on her, she still loves it and is pamperingly cared for by her new family. She's never wanting for someone to help her with anything at all--or to make sure that she can get enough peaceful sleep and food, doesn't become too underweight again, stays warm, has someone with her for all of her checkups, etc., etc. Everybody likes to cook for and feed her--on the one hand it's good because she doesn't want to turn down anyone's efforts. On the other, you don't want to force her into overstuffing her delicate little tummy and feeling very ill.

Here's one I really, really like. Feels quite right in many ways--how her captors would treat her, the kind of video they might transmit to 13...oh, it's torturous, but it's good. http://ellanainthetardis.tumblr.com/post/160227832748/if-youre-still-taking-prompts-could-you-pretty

In this one I like how her mother makes her feel that she's plain and unattractive, and has to work harder at trying to look good. That is exactly how I believe Effie feels about her poor, dear, sweet little beautiful self. ;-; That anyone claiming to find her beautiful or to prefer her non-dolled-up must be lying. I think what she needs is a lifetime of marriage to Haymitch, with him trying to convince her that not only is she pretty and beautiful and gorgeous, but she doesn't really need anything to make herself "presentable" or "okay" or "all right" or "nice enough."
http://ellanainthetardis.tumblr.com/post/160263879048/hi-i-was-just-wondering-if-you-could-do-one-of 
On the other hand, I'm always prepared for the stuff I don't agree with or that doesn't feel right to me, since most stories have at least a bit of that. I often disagree with characterization in fics. One of the things in there I felt very unsure about was her mom's plastic surgery. That sometimes gets brought up by people (because of the "They're so bad and fake, fake is bad!" notion from early in the first book--but most Capitols don't have too much need to really be fake unless it helps them get something they want, as they're cool with who and what they are.) I don't see shaky self-esteem being an issue AT ALL in the Capitol at large. So do they have the capacity to perform cosmetic operations? Sure. But when and why are they performed? I'd say mostly for corrective/reparative purposes, or purely for fun, or out of sheer boredom or curiosity or casual desire--mostly with the knowledge that whatever it is can just as easily be undone. Vanity and pride can play a part sometimes, of course. But I don't believe that the vast majority of them would ever think they NEED or "should" have a procedure, for any more reason than that they simply like/enjoy it. Which would be their most common reason for doing anything; their lives seem to be mostly fun and games. 

https://twitter.com/rebeltaurus_/status/833283258695684097 "maybe just maybe haymitch should not have kept things from effie. #mereadingcatchingfire"
They shouldn't have kept things from her on the tour. He must've had her safety in mind not telling her about the rebellion.;;

BEAUTIFUL: 
I miss everything. I miss talking to her, hearing about her day. I miss her voice all gravelly and smoky, I miss hearing her laugh, I miss getting her letters, writing her letters. I miss her eyes, and the smell of her hair, and the way her breath tasted. I f*cking miss everything. I miss knowing she was around because it helped me to know that she was around, someone like her existed. I guess most of all, I miss knowing I would see her again. I always thought I’d see her again.
— 	James Frey, My Friend Leonard

She is strong. She is brave. She is beautiful. She is imperfect. She is worthy. 

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Omgosh, this is bomb: 
"characters who probably did deserve that shit because they're assholes but fuck you i love them anyway: a thread"
Haymitch: "sure he was kind of a dick but that didn't warrant killing his whole family
he drank to hide the pain :("

Also from the Tweeter: 

Haymitch Abernathy
- has his own way of showing people his love and respect
- has gone through a lot more than people remember
- loves Effie

Effie Trinket 
- treated Peeta, Katniss and Haymitch as if they were family
- sympathised with their issues
- turned them into a team (or recognized that they were one & wanted to join+emphasize it)

Somebody: "Peeta should've realized that he could've let Haymitch go in the arena with Katniss and maybe then she could've lived and they could be together." Well, yeah, but that's Peeta for you...and anyway, they all know Snow's not gonna let either of them win and live happily ever after...so. It's more of a last-ditch, totally desperate and vain desire to stay together and protect each other.

Reacting to Aidah's MJ1/THG comments!:

-Obviously, if Effie had been able to see Katniss and Finnick in the hospital, she would have...even though she was surely feeling more helpless than ever, possibly not feeling certain that they'd really want to see her or that there was anything her presence could do to aid them. It had never even occurred to me that there'd be anything "selfish" about her staying in her room during her first days in 13. Assuming even refugees get schedules of things to do, she wasn't necessarily in there all day and night, but if Plutarch kept popping in to chat and encourage her to like, walk around and mingle and whatnot...it's more than understandable that she'd be a bit miffed! She obviously was not permitted to be with Katniss or Finnick or Haymitch, and was given very limited information to begin with. She then found out that Haymitch was "drying out" below and that Katniss had acquiesced to being the Mockingjay. Once both girls were officially sided with 13, they could start getting privy to everything. 
-Definitely agree that she isn't selfish; I don't see her that way at all.
-I don't think Effie was sewing the pink dress...saw no needle/thread or actual sewing motion. So not sure where that idea came from.
-Unfortunately, based on things they've said as recently as the summer of '16, nobody from Elizabeth to Nina to Francis actually understands her. Which is so, so sad and baffling.   
-Is there always room for improvement? Things they could've done differently and better? Yes, of course; always. I don't really think that a grave injustice was done to her or Haymitch's character. More of them would have been, naturally, far better...but the crew was focused on Katniss' story...hence the undeniable necessity of future installments! 
-Well, Coin only pretends to be empathetic. >p>
-"I need a fic of Effie feeling outrage on katniss' behalf aft that speech by Coin & then quickly putting a smile when she had to shake hands" ->Totally imaginable!! Just like: "I can imagine the conversation. Effie telling Haymitch where Katniss is hiding and him climbing up to talk to her." 
-"Katniss Everdeen & Harry Potter should form a team together. Team Oblivious." ->SO FUCKING TRUE. Just like "I like you both together." >;3
-"You know what they fucked up? Haymitch linked to Katniss through  earpiece & then Haymitch threatening to put the head shackle on her." ->TOTES. Papa Haymitch is a thing of beauty. Wish that hadn't been left out. But what was included is glorious. 
-"shut the fuck up Gale" ->Ditto that.
-"I wonder if there's an in-suit cooling system for the peacekeeper's uniform." ->Haha, hope so. Or maybe I don't. xp But yeah, there probably is.
-"The people in the Games Control Room look normal. Not Capitol-like. I want to know if they are Capitol or not."
Because no one in the Capitol ever looks "normal?" The gamemakers are dressed practically for what they're doing and have an appropriately clean, official, almost 'scientist'-y kinda feel. Plutarch has a fairly old-fashioned sort of manly style. Not everybody's going to have more "exotic," "crazy," futuristic, bright, etc., fashions all the time. Yeah, that's typical Capitol, but still, different times call for different outfits and makeup, and invidivuals will still pick their own kind of outfit on any given day that they don't have a required type. Seems unrealistic to expect to see everyone dressed similarly in a certain place at all times, or to think that *all* Capitol clothes are what today's people would consider kooky. 'Less maybe you're talking 13. ;p

"i wonder if plutarch setting up the type of quarter quell is something suzanne collins came up with or someone just involved with the movies"--What? You mean the deleted "card-swap" scene? It doesn't really matter; Snow wanted a way to eliminate Everlark and this is what they went with. ;)

more yewtchewb comments: 
So disappointing to see...not the movies; their portrayals are beautiful. But I find Effie one of the ABSOLUTE LEAST selfish people in the entire thing. She's never been remotely villainous. I love ya, Liz, but that characterization...just, no. By now it's definitely time to let go of that notion, that flippant dismissal of a fascinating and wonderful character. It's the casual, shallow, superficial, thoughtless, unfair reading of her. She's my favorite, and I can just go on and on about her for ages and ages. 
And geez, woman, it's "Haymitch," not Hamish! xp﻿
Effie definitely does not see or know everything that goes on; she sees/knows very little that the rest of the Capitol doesn't. But I didn't for one moment trust Katniss' insistence on what an airheaded, Hunger Games-loving bimbo she supposedly was. What does Katniss know about her? Nothing! Effie has to put on an act, a show, and play the game. The whole event is about how you're perceived. She's like a submissive, fearful dog--very much oppressed herself, unable to be her real and natural self. But she constantly tries her heart out to help and protect and look out for as many people as she possibly can. She is infinitely more than mere comic relief. Never does a single selfish thing--quite the very opposite, in fact. And she DOES do everything in her power to help the tributes, even when they and/or Haymitch are very uncooperative. If she honestly did want another district, I'm certain it's because she'd hope for tributes with better odds...not for herself, but for them. 
Other Capitolites go around to the past arenas and reenact Games for fun. I couldn't imagine Effie ever doing the terrible, dreadful things they do--not while truly enjoying it, anyway.﻿
Grrrrr.... sigh How COULD YOU, Liz?!?
Effie's my kickass hero. She is iiiiiiinfinitely more than "comic relief." Her substance is...extremely substantial!!! And far outweighs the style (which is lovely and wonderful itself. But the beautiful person Effie is doesn't need it the way she thinks she does.) Oh, man. If you read superficially, then sure, Effie's oblivious to and wrong about everything. But that is not my interpretation of her AT ALL. I can go on for ages about it, but suffice to say that I don't see her growth/evolution as going from "not caring and loving the Games" to "caring." I see it as so, so, so much deeper and more complex and sad and beautiful and amazing than that typical surface-read.﻿

Response to this link: http://fav.me/dbx9ayh 
I'd be all for a sequel, whether live-action or animated. Or a graphic novel. I suppose a longer-form "reboot" (really retelling) would be a good way of allowing everything from the books to be included...and animating that would make it more able to live alongside the films without feeling like competition or attempted replacement. 
I disagree that the Capitol would actually go further and be more "extreme" than what was shown in the movies. They knew that to go too cartoony would not feel realistic and believable. Seriously, I doubt any society would agree to make their entire city look like a Great Gatsby party all the time. And again, starving people don't make good miners (or much of anything else), so the Capitol would work against its own interests to allow that to be the case in 12...going too extreme in juxtaposing one area of this isolated nation with another doesn't render the depiction believable. 
Haha, Greek & Mediterranean aren't races, but I get that point. Animation would certainly shade the skin of Katniss and Gale to an actual olive tone. 

Survey time! (questions posed by susie_nerd493)

1.	What was Mrs. and Mr. Everdeen's first names? Good question! I'm going with Clara for her, since that's what the actress was thinking of her as. ;p
2.	When did Plutarch get in contact with District 13? Another good one. Had to take a while to plan.
3.	Were Gamemakers the only ones that knew D13 existed? Well, all the high-up, ruler/leader-types in the Capitol knew...xD Just the general publics were supposed to think 13 had been annihilated. Which still doesn't excuse them for not simply pretending to be peaceful foreign settlers and moving back above-ground, and letting the Capitol film abandoned areas as proof of their destruction. X-P Or at the very least, make the underground living areas a little more like the world above, and more...natural...you come to 13 and you're just, "Wow. Dude. These poor oppressed peeps."
4.	How many years and mutt pods had Plutarch created? I'm betting lots. ;)
5.	Did Mrs. Everdeen know how Mr. Mellark felt? Would sure like to find out!
6.	Did Mrs. Everdeen's family disown her when she eloped with Mr. Everdeen? Totally possible. 
7.	Was there ever a formal engagement between Mr. Mellark's family and Mrs. Everdeen's family? This stuff would be very interesting to learn about, eh? 
8.	How did Mr. Mellark meet Mrs. Mellark? :0
9.	Would Peeta finally have talked to Katniss if they hadn't gone to the Games? Probably, eventually...! Least, I hope so. >p
10.	Would Katniss have joined the rebellion if it started with something else? Hmmm. Idk! She'd probably stay out of it, honestly, unless it came to affect her personally and/or grew really large and looked to have a great chance of success.
11.	How long would Gale and Katniss dated if she hadn't gone to the Games? 'Til Peeta decided to actually talk to her? >w> Mayhaps. But I don't think Galeniss would've lasted forever.
12.	Do you think Katniss would have eventually gotten married after Prim grew up without a rebellion? To Peeta, Gale, or someone else? Hmmm. She might have. Depending on how things developed and whether she came to think somebody was "the right guy" that she actually wanted to partner with like that. Then again, maybe not. And would she have reconsidered her decision to be childfree? ;p
13.	Who ordered the pig during the training? That may remain one of life's all-time greatest mysteries, on the order of "How many licks does it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop?"
14.	It was Cinna first year as a stylist. Did Plutarch set him with his assignment or did he was it just luck to get Katniss? He actually asked for 12, didn't he? But he couldn't have even known of Katniss' existence, so it must have been sheer luck that he got her on first go-round...and that she got a stylist with a fab idea for them. Besides enjoying challenge, I suspect he may have requested D12 due to a preexisting fondness for Effie. Maybe Portia too. 
15.	How far would Peeta have gone before he had to show he was really playing along with the Careers to protect Katniss? Guess he'd have done whatever it took to keep their trust 'til they started getting picked off and then eventually he could go team up with Kat... 
16.	Had Mrs. Everdeen's parents/family died by the time Mr. Everdeen died? Dunno!!! Wonder what their reaction was/would've been to her subsequent 'abandonment' of their granddaughters when she kinda "checked out" on them there...8-\ Shame they couldn't or didn't help, considering they were wealthier. 
17.	besides katniss and peeta, who do you think had the highest likelihood of winning the 74th hunger games? Probably Cato or Foxface. ;] Maybe Thresh or Clove or (with any luck) Rue...or Marvel or Glimmer (we got names for anybody else? No? Then forget 'em. XP)
18.	Do you think college exists in Panem? Yeah, probably--for anybody needing/wanting an education beyond the "common core" basics...

*Think most Gamemakers are from the Capitol, but again some could be from D3, etc. Anyone with the technical abilities and sadistic mind for creating mutts & other dangers/pods.

Katniss is like, true neutral. Effie is pretty much lawful good [without being boring at all, Jack & Tanner. -.- Actually better than Jessi Ramsey.] Haymitch...kinda neutral-good? But a bit of a lawful/chaotic mix too? =/
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>>maythestarsguidemyway:
I think Haymitch never told Effie he loved her. I don’t think he was that type who would say it out loud or he was able to say it out loud without fear in his voice. Fear of losing her. He rather showed his love and proved it to her with kisses, movements, words. Like offering her his jacket on a chilly night, waking up earlier in the morning to make coffee for her, drawing her closer to him while they were sleeping, breathing a small kiss in her hair. Things like these.

*SNIFF* I see him doing all those things...and I do see him being able to say it to her eventually, but even if he retained a somewhat irrational fear of doing so, she would more than understand. <3 Wouldn't stop her from saying it and letting him know through her actions as well. 
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HG Chat--Lol. Katniss' superiority complex. Yes. Thank you. And how she goes on and on about things she claims not to care about. xD 
It makes sense that Katniss & Peeta would have a chubby baby, think about it! xD 
"Learn to love/warm up to Haymitch"<3 

The "Capitol accent" is not "affected." Not everyone has it, it's simply the most common accent of the region. If it's "affected," then so is every other regional accent that's ever existed.

Rebellion Radio: Undersee letting Katniss see the rebellion reports on TV so she knows what's going on, thanks largely to her...or gov't wanting her to see in the hopes she'll do/say something they can get her for; make her "know too much." 
-Yeah, I think the berries (they could've just been blueberries, lol) at the end of the first film were symbolic, and they still hanged Seneca. Hence Katniss' dummy. ;p (Yeah, that could've just been a general "He's dead, hurr-dee-durr," but...well, either way, he was executed! That's what matters.) 
-Yeah, did Foxface commit suicide because she realized the rule change meant she was fucked...so she took the quick and painless way out? Or did she really think the nightlock was edible? :/ :\ And Clato were both particularly psychotic, lol. Like, severely deranged. xD Careers/trained tributes don't need to be actual evil, but damn, those two...@_@ And Clove esPECially. Enobaria, too..what is it about D2 that spawns some real demented kiddos...? xD;  But Everlark were particularly unlucky to get stuck with their two (& Cato.)
-If Clato did have some kind of romance/relationship, why wouldn't they have used it as a strategy? Maybe they would have wanted to seem totally cold and calculating, unfeeling. (Someone suggested that they might have started to copy Everlark out of jealousy and pretend that there was something between them...hmmmm...!! Two pairs of star-crossed lovers for the audiences!) Probably they just liked/cared about each other on some level, to some degree...and of course Cato would've been upset to lose the district partner who could have helped him win. I just don't know whether either of them would've let the other win. Perhaps they'd have wanted to, like, consummate their relationship in some way/have some particular experience together, and then give the other a "noble, honorable" death. Klingon-ishly? Idk.
-The Capitol probably does make some profit from sponsor gift purchases.
-Yeah, tbh they actually made Coin a little nicer-looking than she is simply because Julianne, a great actress for the part, is pretty. 
-The Capitol skin dyes must be temporary, guys. They can change them for fun. Nobody's gonna get an all-over permanent tattoo...well, maybe someone will. Like the real-life tiger dude! 😉
-Good point; Katniss became very interesting when she teamed up with Rue and took advantage of the things she learned from her. That could've been a part of the rule-change motivation, along with the romance; she can make good use of allies. So they left them with Foxface, Thresh, and two potentially victorious couples: Everlark & Clato! >;p

Haymitch seemed in better shape in the Mockingjay movie than book--gee, wonder why. ;p In the book, we could figure on one more missing person to be weighing on him (the most important one!) When Katniss was momentarily afraid he was dying, I don't think his condition/appearance would've been only because he wasn't allowed his booze. If Effie had been missing, he would have been utterly distraught and infuriated...dealing with these feelings mostly in private, "down below," and with Plutarch. Not his fellow victors. Although Katniss was also concerned and saddened about Effie, and although the distress would be extremely difficult to handle, Haymitch wouldn't have shown it to Kat unless she demonstrated a need to commiserate about it. Her primary focus was Peeta; he was practically all she could think about. He'd be demanding that every rebel contact out in the districts be ordered to aid in searching for, finding, and protecting her. Plutarch would offer his assurances that they have no reason to think she's dead, and that she might have escaped. She could be hiding out in Boreas' woods or any number of things.

So "Clara" Everdeen wound up training doctors in 4. So Annie was easily able to keep in touch with her, and probably took it on herself to keep everyone united--because maybe that was what Finnick used to do.

Fireside: 
Q: Could Cinna have originally come from a district? Or is he just a rather atypical Capitolite? Well...I suppose it's possible that he could've been born somewhere else, and for some reason, was brought to the Capitol and made an official citizen and raised there. It's not impossible that he's got some relation/connection with district persons and/or rebels.
As for Johanna having the D2-ish surname of Mason...yeah, coincidence. It's either from pre-Panem, or there are bloody masons in other districts doing masonry for their own area, or maybe it's got some connection with the whole stonemason cult thing...

Beetee: -I think it would've been dumb to pronounce his name as if it were B.T. Sure, it comes from Btu, but as a name you'd pronounce it BEET-ee. -I doubt he & Wiress were in a relationship, simply because...there's just no reason to think so, aside from them being a male and a female. -Did Cinna seek his assistance in creating the fire for his outfits? I don't think so. Why would he help another district? It's believable that Cinna might've needed to collaborate with somebody on that fire, and maaaybe if he paid Beetee or someone else from D3 they'd have assisted, but more probably it'd have been somebody from the Capitol.

These reviews: why don't they do paragraph separation?
As a relatively new tribute (reaped into the fandom January 2015), I imagined it would be interesting to go back and listen to the THG podcasts, most of which had been recorded primarily during the 2011-2013 period. (Jabberjays.net's JabberCast is the only one that continued through and reacted to Mockingjay: Part 2, so I was able to keep up and interact with that site on the regular from last year onward, providing feedback.) Alas, I wasn't terribly impressed by any of them.
This one...is fun to hear when the hosts & panelists are joking and goofing around and playing games. It's by far the lengthiest podcast, and as much a mixed bag as the others...lots of thumbs-up and thumbs-down. Many interesting discussions and good thoughts, but even more with which I vehemently disagreed. That in itself isn't horrible; disagreement and debate can be invigorating and beneficial for any rich, vital fandom. This elicited strong negative responses from me more often than I'd have liked, though. On the positive side, the hosts and panelists tried to be polite in sharing their opinions and thoughts. Everybody was definitely trying to do an entertaining, civil, informative show.  
At least they didn't screw up facts and pronunciations quite as often as others did; they were considerably more knowledgeable. I did very generously award a second star to the Nightlock podcast in response to a couple of ideas expressed in its first couple of episodes (since these things play in reverse order, backtracking through time.) Here, it was tough to decide. Were the plus sides & thumbs-ups & excellent points sufficient to compensate for everything that baffled, annoyed, and/or infuriated me? Since the show was technically well-researched and put-together, I decided to go with two. Despite the overcrowding, people talking over each other, and occasional poor audio quality/connections. 
Now, I am extremely defensive and protective of my favorite character (Effie.) And I was dismayed, though not surprised, to find that they held the typical, casual, shallow, thoughtless, inconsiderate, superficial, unfair view of her. Their image is not mine AT ALL. To me she is the loveliest and most compelling, complex, wonderful, adorable, fantastic person in the entire tale. I could go on for hundreds of kilobytes about my understanding/interpretation of Effie, and it can be almost painful to hear things spoken of her which I couldn't find more wrong. 
(Let's also note that Hayffie is the universe's most beautiful and poignant love story. The most unforgivable aspect of Part 2 was the failure to depict the guaranteed Hayffie wedding and kids in D12. There should have been an expanded conclusion/epilogue for closure and further improvement upon the book.) 
Another note, in case this anyone ever actually sees this: It would behoove every tribute to check out the "Reading With a Vengeance" commentaries on this trilogy. (Tip: Use Chrome's "Speak-It" when you don't want to read, because those analyses are loooong; they really dig into every chapter.) They're harsh, but they're also smart and incisive, displaying critical reading & thinking skills well beyond most actual fans I've seen. I rarely agree with anything like this in its entirety, and this is no exception--but still, those writeups will always remain favorites. 
P.S. It's Haymitch's bracelet, not Finnick's, and it's very important. Man, even the official coloring book labeled it "Finnick's bracelet," and I'm just like, "Grr...yeah, I know he's everybody's favorite after Katniss & Peeta, and I love him too, but let's get this straight." It was a gift from Effie that Haymitch only lent to Finnick so Katniss would recognize him as an ally.

"What kind of a hunter are you?!" "I'm a baker!" ---->Peeta in Into the Woods  
Gale can find himself a princess, and Katniss has her baker...

Damn, did early scripts really have these OOC/just-not-right lines?! 
https://effiefuckingtrinket.tumblr.com/post/95520223379?is_related_post=1#notes -Like that one, okay, maybe the apartments were redesigned and so Effie was being her usual super-fake "self." But this one... https://effiefuckingtrinket.tumblr.com/post/93281530704/effie-trinket-ladies-and-gentlemen-also-the --LOLWUT. No. Not even whilst tipsy...XD I can imagine her adorably going, "Oh. Hi." But unless she was defending someone else who had been "engaged to two guys at once," or it had happened against her will and then resolved itself...hahaha, nah nah nah. (If Effie'd been married before, it would've been her trying and pretending to be happy...and then she'd have to divorce and marry Haymitch. XD So nooooo.) Seems they were trying to come up with comical shite for Liz to say. But it makes sense--must be hard for poor Effie to come up with things to say or babble about!! 

https://twitter.com/THGquiz4fans/status/913097295419162624: Yeah, they do have Maysilee in common, but still don't seem to be close.
https://twitter.com/THGquiz4fans/status/905468673292353536 <-Don't understand this question. Like Katniss, she obviously found out who they were. And she likely also noticed that something strange seemed to be going on in the arena. 
https://twitter.com/THGquiz4fans/status/923235191165874176 <-Ha, maybe. xD 
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kim jacobs images as possible effie apartment: #12 exterior (facing river); entryway with porch and spiral staircase, leading up to bedroom+bathroom; blue/yellow tile-floor kitchen with porch; living room perhaps the one with the sailboat painting on the table, or the one with the peachy-colored lounge under the big window; bedroom is one with chair/lamp and recessed bed surrounded by shelves; bathroom is of course the only bathroom painted. Her apartment must have been beautiful, simply because it was hers, so it's horribly sad to me to think that it was may have been at least partially damaged, ransacked, definitely given to someone else, etc. 

Answers to a friend's fic-writing questions; saving to send later: 1) Sure, cool, if that's what you have in mind. 2) "Truly evil" Mrs. Mellark? Well, I mean...realistically mean/unkind/cruel, I guess. x-< 3) As mature as ya please!